From: g87
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:39 AM
To: the australian
Subject: WIKINSON re concealing a crime
WIKINSON re concealing a crime
The brilliant Cassandra
Wilkinson's summary of her article Leave celibacy out of the debate 21/11 says it succinctly:
'' The church cannot insist on the sanctity of the
confessional; everyone must respect the law, including laws against perverting
the course of justice, concealing a crime, aiding and abetting a criminal or
being an accessory after the fact.''
- It is none of our business if the Church has enriched itself by ensuring that Prelates, Popes and disparate acolytes cannot / could not leave their earthly goods to official family - because there is /was none.
- Priestly frustration is not our concern - nor how many thousand fatherless progeny they have created with their celibacy problem.
- The advisory / pastoral role they serve to families without the most basic of experiences bemuses but does not faze me.
- But various excuses the Church espouses - about ''saving souls and not lives'' - is immoral and illegal. There is no way that the Gillard government can afford to loose this incipient clash with the Church!
People should tell the
government via making a comment on their Royal Commission Consultation Paper
that they will not tolerate Priestly - feel - good confessional for crimes
against children!
As with everything the
PM creates emergencies and problems by forcing us to do this on or before
Monday: one only has a few days.
GS
Child Abuse Royal Commission Consultation Paper Released
http://australianpolitics.com/2012/11/19/child-abuse-consultation-paper-released.html
Geoff
Seidner
East St Kida
3183
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- Unsealing the confessional: The duty of society ve...
- Confessional Evidence: Public Defenders Office
- The Law of the Seal of Confession
- The seal is sacrosanct
The
seal is FOR the greater good. The Church is in the business of saving souls, not
saving lives. Who would go to confession if priests were allowed to reveal what
was said?
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http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/11/19/3635962.htm
In the debate
about the "seal of the confessional," we are witnessing a clash between two
world views - one based on the primacy of civic power and a conviction of the
need to prevent, expose and punish the wicked of this world. The other view is
based on the old Augustinian belief that the laws and institutions of the "City
of Man" are ultimately subordinate to those of the "City of God" - the latter
being eternal and ultimately just.
I think that
society's first duty is to protect the living. Sexually abusing children (and
the vulnerable more generally) is an especially heinous crime as it robs the
victims of innocence - not just of body, but of self. It involves what Hannah
Arendt has called, in another context, a "scarification of the soul." Therefore,
we should insist that where our children are at risk of preventable harm, every
citizen should meet their obligation to offer protection
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For all religions to worship freely, however, we must
ensure that we, the people, stand above all of them. The church cannot insist on
the sanctity of the confessional; everyone must respect the law, including laws
against perverting the course of justice, concealing a crime, aiding and
abetting a criminal or being an accessory after the fact. The common law must
remain superior to God's law if we are all to remain free to worship as we
choose, or worship not at all.
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Leave celibacy out of the debate
The goal of ending child abuse needn't entail bashing Catholicism or other faiths
AUSTRALIA has never been a place where religion has been a cause of protracted violence or political disorder.
A country founded by jailers who worshipped at St James and
convicts who worshipped at St Mary's has gone on to include Asian Buddhists,
European Jews, Greek and Russian Orthodox Christians, Bosnian Muslims and
Serbian Christians, Indian Hindus and Muslims, and a generous buffet of other
faiths from Baha'i to Scientologists.
By and large we get along because the secret to religious
tolerance is common respect for a non-religious state.
The royal commission into child abuse has at its heart a single
worthy mission: to ensure that all citizens enjoy state protection from
individuals or groups who would harm them. Sadly it has also already become a
blunt instrument with which to belt religion. Self-righteous atheists have leapt
to pour scorn not only on abusers and their protectors but also on the
foundations of religious belief. The ABC's resident national treasure, Phillip
Adams, claimed last week that religion twists sexuality. Yet rape is inflicted
on adults and children of all classes, on all continents, among all religious
groups and ethnic communities; it does no service to victims to pretend the
problem is not endemic.
As the royal commission unfolds there will be arguments that
celibacy is to blame. It has already been argued that Catholic priests should
marry like their Orthodox cousins, as if child abusers aspired to a healthy
adult marriage or, more oddly, that raping children is the product of a lack of
access to adult women. Should we be match-making all men without sexual partners
to prevent them becoming pedophiles? The notion is
absurd.
Catholic priests have made a free choice to be celibate, which is
no one else's business. Perhaps it seems odd. Perhaps it is odd. But it is also
odd that the Brethren don't vote or let their kids have computers.
It's odd that Scientologists audit their engrams. That some
Muslims cover themselves. That Quakers are pacifists. But none of these oddities
is dangerous unless we decide it's a reason to split our nation into disparate
loyalties.
There are and should be tremendous amounts of religious freedom in
our magnificent democracy and if you call for a ban on celibacy, soon there will
be no principle to protect face or head covering and you'll be wondering about
e-meters and temple garments and transferring your sins to
chickens.
Our successful secular democracy owes a great deal to the quest
for religious freedom. Democracy in western Europe was built on the corpses left
by the Inquisition, witch-burning and the deaths of thousands of Waldensians,
Flagellants, Cathars and other largely harmless Christian millenarian cults that
wanted to worship in their own way.
We enjoy secular peace because we learned the best way to reject
religious tyranny is to make sure it's nobody's business which horned god,
mighty ancestor or random queen's consort you worship. The Yaohnanen tribe of
Vanuatu believes Prince Philip to be the son of a mighty mountain spirit, and
who's to say that's any crazier than our devotion to his grandson's wife's
wedding dress?
For all religions to worship freely, however, we must ensure that
we, the people, stand above all of them. The church cannot insist on the
sanctity of the confessional; everyone must respect the law, including laws
against perverting the course of justice, concealing a crime, aiding and
abetting a criminal or being an accessory after the fact. The common law must
remain superior to God's law if we are all to remain free to worship as we
choose, or worship not at all.
Cassandra Wilkinson was an adviser to former NSW premier Kristina
Keneally
Roman Catholic theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_theologyShare
According to the
church, the Holy Spirit
reveals God's truth through Sacred
Scripture... The church
community consists of the ordained priesthood and diaconate ...Coming from God, going toward God, man
lives a fully human
life only
if he ..... for the
purification of souls who, although
saved, are
not free enough from sin to
...Questions and Answers on Confess
www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/.../qaconfession.htmShare
When He had
said this He breathed on them; and
He said to them: Receive ye the Holy
Ghost; ... mean announcing and preaching that sins
were forgiven? No.
.... Go then and learn what
this meaneth, I will have mercy and
not sacrifice.
.... If the
priest is alive in the world and on
the mission of saving your
soul, wouldn't it be
...Decree on Ministry and the life priests - Presbyterorum Ordinis
www.vatican.va/...vatican.../vat-ii_decree_19651207_presbyte...Share
These ministers in the society of the faithful
are able by the sacred power of
... But they cannot be of service to men if they remain strangers to the life and conditions of men.... (2) Since no one
can be
saved who does
not first believe,(3)
priests, ..... develop new
approaches and methods for the greater good of the Church.
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